Partial No Effects?

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2 things:

Firstly: Supposing you have a helmet that protects you from waylay one. Somebody waylay ones you. Would you call "No Affect" even though you took the one damage that the waylay did? And when the call "No Affect" is made is it referring to the desired result? (Whether you concious or not, you won't be happy about being smacked on the back of the head)

Secondly: If someone starts first-aiding you and your not dying (I.E. Concious) whats the call?

Thanks in Advance,
-Raygren
 
Raygren said:
2 things:

Firstly: Supposing you have a helmet that protects you from waylay one. Somebody waylay ones you. Would you call "No Affect" even though you took the one damage that the waylay did? And when the call "No Affect" is made is it referring to the desired result? (Whether you concious or not, you won't be happy about being smacked on the back of the head)

Secondly: If someone starts first-aiding you and your not dying (I.E. Concious) whats the call?

Thanks in Advance,
-Raygren
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As far as the "Waylay" question. As I understand it, if your helm protects you from one waylay and you are hit with one waylay, you don't take the damage and you say "No Effect" and continue. See pages 52 and 53 in the rules book for waylay.

And as for the second question, my opinion is the who ever is doing the first aid and they didn't check to see if you were dying or not is just wasting their time.
 
Raygren said:
2 things:

Firstly: Supposing you have a helmet that protects you from waylay one. Somebody waylay ones you. Would you call "No Affect" even though you took the one damage that the waylay did? And when the call "No Affect" is made is it referring to the desired result? (Whether you concious or not, you won't be happy about being smacked on the back of the head)

Secondly: If someone starts first-aiding you and your not dying (I.E. Concious) whats the call?

Thanks in Advance,
-Raygren
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Ok, if you have armor or helmet that protects against a waylay, it will protect you from the effect but not the damage. A few examples to be clear.
1 waylay to someone with no armor that applys and is done correctly, will do one point right to body, and knock that person out. The call is "taken", or (in most cases) you can just fall over.
1 waylay done correctly to someone with armor that has that level or protection or higher, one point is taken right to body, and they are not knocked out. The call is "no effect."
1 waylay done incorrectly no matter what arrmor is in play (inccorectly as in the person turned or in some other way invalidated the requierments for the waylay) No damage is done and they are not knocked out. The call is "flub"
(Info found on page 53 under "waylays and armor protection")


The offical call to using first aid on someone who doesnt need it (being they are just knocked out, or sleeping or faking it) is "taken" as far as I know. Its much like what happends when you use a cure light wounds on someone at full body, or hit a normal person with an earth blade. The only exception would be if you can not be first aided for some reason (dead, undead, ect) then the call is "no effect". Many people say that that call should not be made untill the full first aid time is done, but I am not 100% sure on that part.
 
ok. Makes sense. I just wanted to know if you needed to inform the waylayer that you took that damage and werent, for example, immune to waylays.

Also, can you have a magic or silver waylay? Or is it all the same?
 
Secondly: If someone starts first-aiding you and your not dying (I.E. Concious) whats the call?
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Actually, there is no call. You say nothing. If you're awake, you can swat them away. If you're dead, you keep your mouth shut unless they use healing arts.

I should know... Took my second death that way.
 
Like Sarah said, there is no response call to First Aid use. No "taken", no "no effect", no "hey that tickles". If you have a legit method of responding InGame (ie "Hey, why are you touching me there?"), then feel free, but there is no OOG response.

There is no effect carrier used in addition to "Waylay". "Waylay" *is* the effect.

Phil is correct in handling the damage dealt from Waylay. Waylay is the *only* attack which is "partially" blocked. In all other cases, if you are immune to part of a call, you are immune to the whole call.

Draco VonStrom is a death knight and immune to death effects. A vampire of ookiness rolls up on him swinging "25 Death". Draco responds with "No effect" and takes no damage.

Lou-Ellen the Elf is assasinated by EvilGuy the Sneak Thief, who calls "50 Sleep Assasinate Poison". Lou-Ellen the Elf is annoyed, and calls "Resist", using his nifty Resist Command skill and taking no damage whatsoever.

Dutch Uvin the Hobling is later assasinated by EvilGuy the Sneak Thief, who calls "50 Sleep Assasinate Poison". Dutch Uvin the Hobling is annoyed because Lou-Ellen apparently didn't tool down EvilGuy, and calls "Resist", using his nifty Resist Poison skill and taking no damage whatsoever.
 
I thought Waylay (called on its own) was always considered a "Normal" effect. If Joe Shmo the Evil Demon Monkey (who has a metabolism) is only affected by Silver, isn't he unaffected by *any* amount of Waylay unless it's "Waylay Silver"?

-Bryan
 
TMK, there is no monster ability "Only affected by". There is, however, the monster ability "Immune to". Thus, a character or creature with a metabolism must have "Immune to Waylay" in order to be, well, immune to waylay.
 
jpariury said:
TMK, there is no monster ability "Only affected by". There is, however, the monster ability "Immune to". Thus, a character or creature with a metabolism must have "Immune to Waylay" in order to be, well, immune to waylay.
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I've seen a few that say only affected by Earth or Magic weapons
 
Got it. Found it in the Monster Database FAQ. The ability is published in neither the Rulebook nor the Addendum, so I understand the confusion.

By my reading of the FAQ, if you are "Only affected by Normal", then you are immune to Waylay, since Waylay does not have the phrase "Normal" in the call. I will double check on what is intended, however. (In addition to renewing my Secret Rules Suck chant. ;) )
 
Waylay on it's own counts as a "Normal" damage carrier. You CAN attach other carriers to it: "3 Earth Waylay." Waylay is a skill, just like slay. The only difference is, you cannot attach a poison carrier via a blade poison because you cannot poison the pommel of your weapon.
 
Not disparaging your knowledge, but can you find me where you saw that you could add carrier damage to waylay? I can't find it and was always under the impression that it was not the case. I mean if you have a +2 long sword and can add the "Magic" part of the DA to the waylay, why not the extra 2 points to it as well? The answer to this question as I remember it was that the DA was only part of the blade, not the pommel. But again, I can't find anything to support or dispute it either way.

Jeff
 
suuuure...

I'll dig out my newly returned rulebook in the morning. *shakes fist at Jeff*
 
Better answer:

You don't add the damage from a DA when you slay or assassinate, but you can add the carrier.
 
True enough, but both of those attacks are made with the blade, so ka?

Jeff
 
Sooo... an Endow spell can be used to affect the pommel of a weapon, but an Elemental Blade spell cannot?

Please, before you complain about the name of the spell, kindly remember that for all intents and purposes their application is the same. Both, for example, are cast on a person, not a "weapon" or "weapon part" and can be used with any weapon -- arrow, maul, or sword -- and both can be used on claws (I believe). So why not for a waylay? "Rules reasons" is of course an acceptable answer -- but I'm quite sure I've heard (correctly or not) waylays called with damage types.

Besides, isn't "Waylay" analagous to "Assassinate" or "Slay" in that it's a delivery mechanism? Why *shouldn't* carriers be allowed to go with it? Personally, I think it would make sense that some hypothetical beastie which transferred Disease carrier to any weapons it held could do Disease direct to body on a waylay and bypass the armor-blocking-carrier bit :)

-Bryan
 
Yup. Endow and blade spells go on the spirit, but the difference is endow is ONLY damage, whereas blade spells allow you to change the carrier. Since you can't add damage to a waylay (without skills that is), it makes sense that you can't use the endow... NOR the DAMAGE additive from a blade spell. But you can sure change the carrier.

Afterall, how are you supposed to be able to waylay something with a metabolism that's immune to normal? (And I can already think of at least two cases around town where this applies)
 
Diera said:
Yup. Endow and blade spells go on the spirit, but the difference is endow is ONLY damage, whereas blade spells allow you to change the carrier. Since you can't add damage to a waylay (without skills that is), it makes sense that you can't use the endow... NOR the DAMAGE additive from a blade spell. But you can sure change the carrier.

Afterall, how are you supposed to be able to waylay something with a metabolism that's immune to normal? (And I can already think of at least two cases around town where this applies)
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My take on the situation

There is no carrier additive because waylay is the carrier; it is not 1 normal waylay, it is just 1 waylay. So if someone was immune to normal then they should in theory have to take the waylay, unless of course they are also immune to waylay.

Please remember this is hust my opinion, I am not a Seattle Marshall.
 
Diera said:
Since you can't add damage to a waylay (without skills that is), it makes sense that you can't use the endow... NOR the DAMAGE additive from a blade spell. But you can sure change the carrier.
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Actually, you CAN use an Endow to up the damage on a Waylay. Check yer rulebook ;). That was part of my point...

-Bryan
 
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