For Sale

[prashka]

I and a friend have come into possession of a permanence scroll, and we are looking to find a home for it. It is native to the lands of Landfall, and the object that creates it are free to travel anywhere through the mists. I do not have a catalyst for it, I have the scroll only.

I will accept bids like an auction (by PM or Facebook), but we are open to bids that are in things other than pure coins. However, there is a reserve. I will endeavor to keep the highest bidder information up-to-date.

If you wish, I shall be around the lands of both Landfall and Tarndale in the near future, and can take bids in person as well, and am willing to discuss the situation with you as you wish.

May the road rise to your feet.
Prashka-Myevka

 

[prashka]

Current high bid is 55 gold.

 

[obcidian_bandit]

I assume that this is the same Permanence scroll that was found, in the pile of Harkonian ritual scrolls in the staging room in the Harkonian part of the camp at Koriilholm, that has caused so many people to contact me, all inquiring about its fate and possessor. I understand that there are at least three claims to this scroll, at least two of which are legitimate, based on the evidence provided to me. Should your unnamed friend be one of the other people who has contacted me about this scroll it would reduce the overall number of claims to the item, though some contacted me on behalf of entire groups. When any singular expensive item is claimed by so many people, auctioning the item off is frequently the best choice, but I would strongly suggest you consider carefully what is done with the proceeds.

At this point, I feel it is unnecessary to contact privately each person who sent missives to me, and the rest of what I have to say is for public consumption, anyhow:

There were, in fact, a large pile of Harkonian ritual scrolls recovered. In that pile were the following, as described to me:

• Permanent Duration
• March of the Untiring
• Stable Foundation
• Blissful Rest
• Universal Speech (2)
• Bountiful Harvest (2)
• and some others which, like the Permanence, were removed from the pile, and have multiple claims upon them. I do not know the exact identity of the rest, or who possesses them, but my understanding is that there were three Whispering Wind scrolls among them, and that one of those was the one that we cast Saturday evening in an attempt to get our people back.

The specific scrolls listed above, except the Permanence, Whispering Winds and unknown scrolls, were handed over to me. All of these are "Community Enhancing" rituals that would not necessarily aid any one person, so I will hand them over to Lord Gyr with the intention of benefiting all of Landfall or for trading with our allies. I will bring them to our meeting, in case they will be of use there.

I know that there were coins, other ritual scrolls, and magic trinkets found by folk in small groups and in private skirmishes with the Harkonians; they are your groups' own business, I trust that you will deal with your companions fairly and privately. For any other things, there are times when "Finders-Keepers" is fair, but not at the cost of the community. We often find ourselves in situations where dozens of people contribute to our success, and it is in these situations where the spoils become hard to divide.

Some folk are able to fell their foe and search them, then move on. Some folk do not search their foes, they are too often required to immediately move on to the next. Some folk search the foes that fall at the feet of their companions to ensure they each get their due. Some folk search the kills of others to line their own pockets. It is hard to know when all is done who has come out appropriately and who has not. Often in these situations you ask me to make sure that what has been found is divided fairly, and I will do so as best I can in as simple a manner as possible. However, I cannot split the things that are not turned over to me, so oftentimes the unscrupulous and the greedy will come out ahead. I cannot prevent this on my own, the diligence to stop it must come from us all. In the past, there have been people who have said to me "I didn't know we were gathering things as a group, I don't feel that I should turn over what I found." I listen to what they say, but every time the words carry the same meaning, "I believe that I have found more then my fair share, and feel that the effort and resources of the people around me are worth less than the few coin I might lose to such a split."

I remember every person who has spoken those words to me, and I have no doubt that others have heard them the same way that I have. I am sworn to protect each of you, and be you healer or thief, I will fight through the horde of minotaur or walking dead to drag your corpse back to our people. But when I do, and your lifeless body hits the ground, and there is only one more Life spell, or that brief moment that the nearest healer hesitates for, when she recalls that you once screwed her out of a reagent, just happens to be the last one you have before you dissipate, you will have earned your trip through the Earth Circle. Those few coins paid your way.

We have a large fight upon us, and we cannot have the internal friction created by coins and trinkets stand in our path to victory. We will meet shortly to prepare and plan with our allies. If, after the important business is tended to, we wish to discuss plans for what spoils may be found, it may be a convenient time to do so. First, we make war.

By my hand,
Sir Iftikhaar Vorgik

 

[prashka]

Iftikhaar,
This scroll was indeed recovered from the Harkonian encampment by myself and a few others. I must say that I am deeply angered by your words, a scolding, or so I heard it, especially on so public a forum as this. If you have concerns, I would have been happy to answer them privately and put the mater to rest.

If there are those who lay claim to this scroll, let them speak to nee. I will be happy to rectify the situation. I thought I had contracted all involved, but perhaps I missed some. My last wish is to offend anyone who has stood at my side, fight and died with me in battle, and I would be horrified to think that such offense was the resut of a careless mistake on my part. All who participated in this dangerous task should receive reward.

however, I can make no movement forward without information. If you have it, I would ask that you share it so that I do not accidentally become a selfish bastard. (tbc))

 

[prashka]

I open this offer to any who feels he had earned a piece of this scroll. Speak to me, open the lines of communication.

and speaking of communication, it would be nice to know what is expected of my with regards to collecting and distributing the spoils of battle. As far as I can tell, there I'd no policy that holds true through out each day. On the one hand, you yourself have told me that I may keep the spoils of missions I have completed with a small team, and yet here now when the riches are much greater than some trinkets and some coin, am told to turn it over to the lands. Do you think I would not have already done so if the spoils were of any use? have I not already made useof myself and abilities to thatend in recent history?

Do not mistake me for a greedy harlot by these words. My anger is justified. I have a Family for which I must provide, and I am angry at the lack of consistency of your policies. I have done nothing more than what others, yourself included, have told me is acceptable. I do not deserve your attempts to shame.

If you wish to continue this discussion and find a compromise, that is fine. I will happily speak with you, Iftikhaar. Bring Lord Gyr, if you wish. Let us discuss what is fair and just, and come to a compromise that betters the communities of both Landfall and the Gypsies, as well as those who risked life and enslavement on this mission. I will be at the meeting for war in a week's time. I am happy to discuss the mater then. or, if you would prefer my mind I'd open to you privately on the Dreamscape.

However you decide, please send me a missive with the names if these people who gave claim to this scroll, and I will see to the issue immediately.

Prashka-Myevka

 

[prashka]

Oh, and the current high bid is 80 gold.

 

[obcidian_bandit]

Your anger is unfounded. As was written and clearly stated, the first words of my text were directed primarily at you. If you are so intent on believing that the last few are intended to single you out as well, it is likely that they should be, though I had not yet seen specific action to indicate that I should direct them as such. I will keep that in mind.

To the regards of the item specifically, let us not obscure its source, then you can resume prattling on about finding things in small or large groups: Your group was the third, or perhaps fourth, to find the stack of scrolls in the Harkonian camp. The first few groups had the common sense not to steal a gigantic pile of ritual scrolls while we were still attempting to continue our ruse. Your group, lacking those senses, nearly cost us our mission, and likely would have, had I not demanded that they be replaced. The fact that you cherry picked which scrolls to return and which to keep before doing so put you on dubious moral ground when you began pronouncing them as your own. You didn't find them any more than anyone else found the latrine, though your claim reeks as badly.

Speak to the Legion, as well as a party of the newer folks and perhaps Chicken Leg. Rain and his company had previously forfeit their interest in scrolls found in Koriilholm, though they found the pile as well. Because the groups were so varied when chosen by the Minotaur, with a few exceptions, I am not certain which specific individuals were ever involved, but nearly everyone knew about them through members of their groups that were there. I am not certain that anyone from my group or from the Company were ever present, and as such, have no specific claim to my knowledge. I am not asserting interest, I was not present; my involvement is by specific request and because I had knowledge pertinent to the handling of the situation. The task is now on you to deal with the situation that you have created for yourself; if you continue down this path, I have no doubt that the ire that you have already engendered in the folk of Landfall will continue to grow.

By my hand,
Sir Iftikhaar Vorgik

 

[evi1r0n]

Respectfully,

I believe this is erupting into something more than it should be.

Sir Iftikhaar, I can see how your words could be misinterpreted by someone who's first language isn't our own (and I in no way mean this as a slight). I can see how Prashka's emotional response can be seen as aggression. There are many sides here. I merely wish to see us work together for the good of everyone. I have come to count both of you as trusted allies in this fight against the Harkonians. Prashka is a dear friend, I know she meant no harm.

I propose a sit down after the war council to hammer out all the details for future endeavors so the expectations of all sides are clearly laid out. I would commit to such a meeting and I think it would be pertinent for all group leaders or unrepresented individuals to at least discuss the issue. As annoying as it may be to some, it would remove much future conflict.

As a person who inquired about the scroll cache, I lay no claim to them. I wanted to make sure everyone who had claim, got their share. I know Prashka has no intent of harming the community or stealing. In the years I have known her, she has never been a thief. I hope we can let bygones be bygones and we can all move on together.

I apologize if I speak out of place but I care about the two of you and this cause far too much to not say my peace. If asked, I will not trouble your dreams further on this matter.

-Alcandar

 

[prashka]

Iftikhaar,

If I misunderstood your intent, I apologize, but I insist that this is also true: it is not illogical to assume such a rebuke was intended me as well, especially given that you chose to issue such a rebuke within the confines of THIS negotiation, and not as a new message to the community. Instead of broadcasting a general message, you made it a response to my own, which made it far more personal in nature, regardless of the constraints issued initially. I have no interest in carrying a burden of ill will if that was not the intent, but I am not the only one who need be more careful of how communications are given and received.

Of far more pressing concern, I ask you again, name those who have contacted you about these scrolls so that I may assist them. You have given me half a dozen general directions, but the only person who has been named of those who have contacted you is Alcandar, who names himself. You said that there were three who had contacted you with claims, two of which were legitimate. Who were these people? If you cannot give me these names, you are the one who is condemning me to being hated.

I find myself very upset at the moment. My goal in this is not to make people angry, my goal is to simply sell a scroll and share the rewards with those who worked for them. If our risks were foolish, experience will aid us next time or perhaps knowledge shared would have been of greater use. If our actions were selfish, perhaps compassion is a better teacher than biting words and stinging comments. I simply saw what those who had come before had done, and sought to emulate them, and for that I am greeted with accusations of stealing from others, of being foolish and selfish, of prattling on and standing on "dubious moral ground," whatever that means. And still, I don't understand what I did wrong, other than taking the scrolls initially. I am trying to make amends, and to help other people, but all you will give me, Iftikhaar, is insulting statements and veiled anger, as far as I can tell.

Perhaps Alcandar is correct, and the trouble is that I do not speak this language naturally, but it still upsets me. I feel as though you won't give me information, and you won't let me know what I did wrong, you won't let me make amends, and you belittle me for things that have passed, when what I could use, and have asked many people already for, is advice, and perhaps some compassion.

Alcandar, I am happy to meet with you and whomever, but I do not know if I can be of much help. I do not seem to understand whatever rules there are, so I don't know that I am any help at rewriting them. Perhaps Vavarik would be of more use to you in this discussion?

 

[prashka]

Current high bid is 85 gold.

 

[Tantarus]

I think what Iftikhaar is saying, and correct me if I am wrong, is that it may not be right that the people who risked the entire mission by taking the scrolls to solely benefit from them. Meanwhile the people that put the mission ahead of personal gain and left the scrolls put end up with nothing. That sets a dangerous example for people future actions. Perhaps next time we are in a similar situation people risk the mission for personal gain as it was let happen this time with no consequences and we will get caught much to the determent of Landfall. But I think Alcandar is right, this is best settled in person where people can better explain there positions and discussion a fair resolution.

~Tantarus Andrada

 

[Requiem]

...it may not be right that the people who risked the entire mission by taking the scrolls to solely benefit from them. Meanwhile the people that put the mission ahead of personal gain and left the scrolls put end up with nothing.

You were not there when it happened.

As one of the pair that originally removed the scrolls, allow me to paint you a picture: Scribes were requested to copy the logs kept by the Harkonian army. Myself and one other volunteered (he may name himself if he chooses), and we were taken to an office. The relief for the guard posted on us was very late, and he gave up waiting shortly after we started. We found ourselves alone in the office with the notes, and a chaotic mess of papers I couldn't read scattered all over the desk. I can read normal magic, so these were clearly formal scrolls.

It was a rare opportunity to weaken the enemy, but the pair of us that were present when the opportunity presented itself were both unable to read formal magic. We had no way to know whether we were staring at rituals that had the power to plunge Landfall into darkness, or if these were simply scrolls of minor tactical significance.

Given the disarray, we judged that some of the scrolls could be removed without being obvious at a glance. My companion was inclined to take more than I, but we found a compromise, and spread the rest so that the desk was still covered in scrolls. We finished the task put to us, and brought the scrolls AND information regarding Harkonian movements and garrison locations back with us.

First of all, I challenge you to tell me how the "entire mission" was endangered by the removal of these scrolls. We stole them mere hours before the Squamata we rescued arrived. Had they discovered the theft, it would have been too late to do anything once they did. Second of all, in case you forgot, everyone is cut off. Any resources we steal from them count double in this conflict. And third, speaking of being cut off, we've seen what the consequences are of letting the Harkonians perform what rituals they like. If we "endangered the entire mission", I think you'll agree that it was a risk worth considering.

-Ian Moretti

 

[Tantarus]

First of all, I challenge you to tell me how the "entire mission" was endangered by the removal of these scrolls.

I think this is really obvious. It could give them a heads up. Which they could have used to change plans. They could have immediately started passing out enslavements for us all to drink, forcing our hand before we where ready. As it was. We almost lost with surprise. Giving up that element would have been disastrous.

If we "endangered the entire mission", I think you'll agree that it was a risk worth considering.

-Ian Moretti

Sir Iftikhaar seemed to disagree as well as the first few groups that saw them. And this is really beside the point of profiting from and sharing of them. I personally could care less, this is an unneeded disruption considering the upcoming task before us. And honestly the scrolls should be put aside. All of them the ones recovered by Iftikhaar from the same pile, the ones I found off the Biata (currently added to the pile or being destroyed for being Necromantic), and the Permanence/Whispering Winds until after we have dealt with the problems at hand. Then we can worry about minor issues of loot and coin. It is time to focus.

~Tantarus Andrada

 

[Requiem]

First of all, I challenge you to tell me how the "entire mission" was endangered by the removal of these scrolls.

I think this is really obvious. It could give them a heads up. Which they could have used to change plans. They could have immediately started passing out enslavements for us all to drink, forcing our hand before we where ready. As it was. We almost lost with surprise. Giving up that element would have been disastrous.

Given who a heads up of what? Given one of 3 separate groups of Harkonians a heads up that they had a pair of thieves about somewhere? Why would this cause them to expect a large-scale slave revolt, or an abduction? Why would it cause them to use more of their (already dwindling) stock of enslavements indiscriminately? Even if they were able to know instantly something was stolen, and somehow come immediately to the conclusion that operatives from Landfall infiltrated their encampment, they would need to communicate with 2-3 other groups that were miles apart to even alert the groups we needed to attack, much less coordinate a plan change of any kind.

I would also remind you that only one of the two groups nearly lost. Poor division of forces was the reason for your difficulty there, and perhaps poor leadership, but it wouldn't have been changed with an alerted enemy.

If we "endangered the entire mission", I think you'll agree that it was a risk worth considering.

Sir Iftikhaar seemed to disagree as well as the first few groups that saw them. And this is really beside the point of profiting from and sharing of them. I personally could care less, this is an unneeded disruption considering the upcoming task before us. And honestly the scrolls should be put aside. All of them the ones recovered by Iftikhaar from the same pile, the ones I found off the Biata (currently added to the pile or being destroyed for being Necromantic), and the Permanence/Whispering Winds until after we have dealt with the problems at hand. Then we can worry about minor issues of loot and coin. It is time to focus.

Again, people who weren't there, and don't necessarily have any grasp of the bigger picture. And why shouldn't I benefit from the services I perform that benefit Landfall?

Let me make something else clear. Landfall is not home to the Gypsies. We are taking these risks, fighting, and even dying to help YOU. We want to be your friends, but you seem to think that being your friends means we do everything you ask for nothing in return. That's not friendship, that's slavery.

Most of the scrolls I found in that entire mission were given to those who could use them most effectively for the coming war. That I chose to sell 2 of them that offer little tactical advantage for my own compensation and the compensation of the others involved in taking them should be completely understandable.

-Ian Moretti

 

[prashka]

It seems I failed to mention this: Bidding will end around midday on Friday.

Current bid is 100 gold.

Prashka-Myevka

 

[evi1r0n]

This is getting blown largely out of proportion. I consider myself at least friendly with all of you if not more. Let me be the voice of reason and say, let bygones be bygones. Little metal disks aren't worth fighting over. Again, it is obvious a clear set of expectations should be laid out to avoid this. That's a failing on all our parts.

I took financial loss on the last venture and I don't care. I am a native of Andar. Most here are from Taneryn. Landfall is a frontier land to all of us. You are as welcome to call Landfall home as any of us. What we are fighting for is a principle, that will will not stand by while slaving necromancers ravage a once peaceful land.

Ian, no one is asking you to work without compensation. It was not insinuated that you or Prashka would not profit from the scroll. But my friend, I cringe at the insinuation of slavery. That is going a bit far. I would kill anyone who would enslave you or any other free person.

I would also remind you that only one of the two groups nearly lost. Poor division of forces was the reason for your difficulty there, and perhaps poor leadership, but it wouldn't have been changed with an alerted enemy.

I would be careful with heated statements like these. They can easily be taken out of context in the heat of the argument. You are speaking on things you were not fully present for, which you have demanded others not do. Don't make light of the sacrifices made for a completed mission. I would have loved to have had Prashka and Vavarik with us as well as a few others but would you have wanted to separate your family? That was the main consideration in choosing who went where, keeping groups together. Mistakes were made. In hindsight all things are clear...

I do not speak words of honey or venom, I just want peace. We got a war to fight. Since coming here we have all had many losses. I don't want to see anymore because of bad feelings. We have two captured allies and I will bloody my hands to get Mixer and Jack back.

 

[Requiem]

I appreciate both your words and your sentiment, Alcandar. I meant it when I said that the Gypsies want to be friends with Landfall. The reason we can't consider it our home, however, is a very long story. Once we have vanquished the Harkonians, perhaps we can find a time and a place for such a telling.(hint: it will require alcohol and women) For now, suffice to say that we are visitors everywhere we can find, no matter how hard we search the mists.

This means we are fighting for your homes. While it's not a note I want to sound too strongly, it does mean that the intrinsic survival value of victory that is present for you isn't there for us. We have the option to fight the Harkonians in another time and place, but instead we are actively making sacrifices for Landfall. We are giving our lives and saving those of others here, rather than a place where the odds might be better. It angers me that when we seek a tangible compensation for these efforts we are looked down on, despite the fact that we receive less intangible rewards than those who are making a stand for their chosen homes. We are seen as selfishly acting solely in our own interest when we seek to make up this gap, when in reality the beginning of this cycle was unsustainable charity.

My actions regarding the scrolls were to the overwhelming benefit of Landfall, and might have proven even more beneficial if the scrolls had contained different rituals - such as the kind that we are now contending with involving the Dracolich, or the one that cut us off from Taneryn. As I explained, the actual risks to the larger mission were quite minimal, yet I get painted as a careless thief, and people ignore the scrolls that got donated to the war effort and the general benefit of Landfall in favor of the one that's being sold for coin. It's an insult, and one the Gypsies are all too accustomed to hearing. If I respond with strong words, it's because we are tired of being insulted by those we want to call our friends, and I for one am just about to the limits of my tolerance.

-Ian Moretti

 

[Roan Dari Alki]

Ian-
No one has insulted the gypsies. No one has mentioned your name or any of the names of your Family as a thief. Do not put words into the mouths of my friends.

Landfall could not be called home to any of us "Adventuring" people- we all came here less than two years before. Landfall is not my home either. My time here is because of promises made to a dear friend and a belief that the people we have found here deserve to be freed from slavery and tyranny and the land here to be cleansed of Necromancy. Missions such as this are dangerous and will likely carry little personal reward for the sacrifices made. I cannot say enough how valuable of allies the people who have come to Landfall are-- and in my experience this includes the Gypsy people. If this, Ian, is not the life you would choose, you should think about why you remain.

I understand that your insults might have been directed at one or two people, those who are my allies and friends, but when you make broad statements about how your Family is treated, you seem to include all in Landfall. When you say that "you are looked down upon" and that your efforts are not appreciated-- you think that Lord Gyr, myself, Alcandar, Hugh, and dozens of others, think such things? If so, it is unfortunate you think this. I know that every day I am thankful for the friends and allies I have around me, perhaps it is my shortcoming that I did not make that more clear to you.

As to your words: "I would also remind you that only one of the two groups nearly lost. Poor division of forces was the reason for your difficulty there, and perhaps poor leadership, but it wouldn't have been changed with an alerted enemy." Thank you for this reminder. Might I remind you that you were not on our mission. Your team had your mission and carried it out to success, as did we. Several of us, myself included, gave their lives on this mission and some gave more- they were enslaved by the Minotaur. If you would like to speak to me personally of "poor leadership" please do so. There would be more understanding than words on paper can give.

-Roan Dari Alki
Handmaiden of Ulien

 

[obcidian_bandit]

Mind your tongue you insolent peon.

There is a certain level of impudence that I will entertain in the name of diplomacy, but you have done quite enough. Your contempt is surpassed only by your ignorance. Stuff something into your venomous mouth before some member of your family endangers themselves in a foolish attempt to defend you. There are some gypsies who are friends of Landfall, but you are not one of them now, nor should you ever be.

Landfall is native to exactly one person, Luke Hitchens, who is but a few months old. Landfall has stood at this location for barely a year, and the people who have made it their home in that time have come from Taneryn, Andar, across the seas, and across the Golden Horn. This is a town of fronteering spirits, adventurers and farmers alike, gypsies included, come to see what was here, and take up the mantle of what was Right and Just against those who would oppose those ends. The 'people of Landfall' stand for those things, and I do not doubt you when you do not count yourself among them. Since you arrived here your greed and bile have soured your family's reputation, and your constant reminders that you are not 'one of us' only serves to illustrate just what that means. To be 'one of us' you would need some manner of worth.

Your apparent total lack of information, forethought, and concern for the people and our mission do not excuse your actions. Your inability to imagine a scenario in which something being stolen in a camp of people without the ability to steal leads to raising an alarm casts doubts on no one but yourself. I am not certain how you are so daft in this regard, yet able to concoct the fantasy that you are somehow making some great sacrifice that requires you to run your fool mouth and steal so that you make some sort of profit from it. No one asks you to be here, no one will pay you to be here, and every time your lips part you become more unwelcome here.

Let me make something perfectly clear: No one is here to make a profit. No one is here because it is easy. We are here to fight tyranny. We are here to fight slavery. We are here to fight necromancy. We will die in this fight, and we will fight on. We will lose our things, and we will fight on. We will make sacrifices, and we will fight on. That is the 'we' that you are not apart of.

By my hand,
~Sir Iftikhaar Vorgik

 

[mneme_suspiria]

Sirs, and Ladies, all,

Let me make something perfectly clear: No one is here to make a profit. No one is here because it is easy. We are here to fight tyranny. We are here to fight slavery. We are here to fight necromancy. We will die in this fight, and we will fight on. We will lose our things, and we will fight on. We will make sacrifices, and we will fight on. That is the 'we' that you are not apart of.

I cannot agree with all of this, Sir Iftikhaar. I am not a part of your "we". I am not here to fight tyranny, or slavery, or necromancy. I am here because the mists deigned that I should be. I have nothing to fight for, nothing to sacrifice, for I have nothing to remember, or to lose, save my freedom and my honor. I fight because I will not surrender to Ring-faces of no honor.

I believe that this is all being blown too far out of proportion, and it makes me wary to be among this community if one incident and others' beliefs on what should have been done does this much to incite you all to such sharp and angry tongues. Is this how you receive all who see a different, if not better way to accomplish a goal? I do not see the issue with the scrolls. It weakens our enemy, and they have far too much to worry on besides a small theft, if my trips about this land is any indication. Weakening the is in our favor, and while the action was risky, anything could have turned that whole situation into cac. I've risked as much as any of you, in attempts to gain us all a small bit of information to help our side. Are you suggesting that should I find a bit of loot, or scrolls, or something valuable to the community, that I should turn it over without any expectation of consolation?

If so, then I shall have to disappoint. I will choose, regardless of yours, or anyone's thoughts of what I should do, whatever I may with the items, be they helpful, or harmful. That is my decision to make, not this community's.

Alas, I am rambling and saying more than I ought. We all should let this lie for the moment, and face it again at the Council. Let us hash our differences out in the flesh. Mayhap, I shall have something more to share by then.

Caoimhe Daere